Rules

Yes, if you tap the upside-down one, it will go in the fourth direction.

And nemryn got the method... animate a land and Cytoshape into Gardener. Regarding Sakashima + flipped card, according to modo the name stays as Sakashima, so they're not destroyed.

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This post has been edited by sexican on Apr 29 2010, 07:04 PM

That's lame, he didn't crop the licids from the shot.

Two questions:

If I have a [card]Valakut Fireboar[/card] with an [card]Ogre's Cleaver[/card] on it, and it attacks, what does it turn into?

If I have a [card]Lavaclaw Reaches[/card] enchanted with a [card]Wind Zendikon[/card] and I activate it, does it overwrite the zendikon or is it a flying firebreather?

how could it ever be a flying firebreather? even without knowing the specific rules, one or the other is going to 'win', and neither case makes what you want

edit: i take it back, you can for all intents and purposes -- if not technically -- get a flying firebreather, but it's the same case that you listed as an alternative XD

This post has been edited by Vandermonde on Apr 30 2010, 01:03 PM

You have a flying black-and-red firebreather. It's similar to being able to stack lifelink with [CARD]Genju of the Fields[/CARD] back when stacking lifelink mattered. I also for a little while had a R/W/U deck built around playing multiple different Genjus on dual lands and taking advantage of this interaction to do things like make a 6/1 flyer.

EDIT: Apparently the Genju doesn't actually grant lifelink, so this trick will still work. It doesn't matter for the purposes of your rules question, though.

This post has been edited by KingRamz on Apr 30 2010, 01:06 PM

P/T switching is always applied last. Layer 7e.

But I hardly know her, 7e.

That would be 7 {e}.

The basic reason is the effects of both cards are separable. The Reaches ability will overwrite the colors and p/t and grant firebreathing, but it doesn't take away flying any more than playing [card]Vigilance[/card] on a [card]Wind Drake[/card] does.

This post has been edited by wcbarksdale on Apr 30 2010, 01:49 PM

The basic reason is the effects of both cards are separable. The Reaches ability will overwrite the colors and p/t and grant firebreathing, but it doesn't take away flying any more than playing [card]Vigilance[/card] on a [card]Wind Drake[/card] does.

This is why the second form of [CARD]Chimeric Sphere[/CARD] explicitly does not have flying.

Idle thought. Suppose you had a [card]Boggart Shenanigans[/card] that got animated and became a Soldier somehow. You'd have a Tribal Enchantment Creature -- Goblin Soldier, but specifically Goblin is a subtype of Tribal and Soldier is a subtype of Creature. Call it a (Tribal-Goblin) Enchantment (Creature-Soldier). Would this be in any way functionally different from a (Tribal-Soldier) Enchantment (Creature-Goblin), e.g. a [card]Veteran's Armanents[/card] that got animated and became a Goblin?

Well obv it makes a difference if you hit it with an effect that makes it stop being a creature, but I can't think of anything else atm.

This post has been edited by nemryn on Apr 30 2010, 03:50 PM

there's no difference between a "tribal type" and a creature type: tribals have creature types. subtypes are subtypes of the card, not of the type: it's just something can only have a creature type if it's a creature or a tribal.

and i don't think that last bit's a requirement: making something suddenly not a creature doesn't make it lose its creature type. or at least i can't see anything in the rules that suggests it would. do licids become not licids when they enchant something?

This post has been edited by Seol on Apr 30 2010, 04:50 PM

I think they do, yeah. 'Licid' isn't an enchantment type.

no it isn't, but there's nothing in the rules which talks about permanents losing subtypes if they lose the type that they normally relate to.

the implication is that the splitting of subtypes into creature type, land type etc is primarily semantic, and to prevent for example turning mountains into goblins using artificial evolution.

Yes, if you tap the upside-down one, it will go in the fourth direction.

And nemryn got the method... animate a land and Cytoshape into Gardener. Regarding Sakashima + flipped card, according to modo the name stays as Sakashima, so they're not destroyed.

Nice!