Tournament of the GG: Cube Rotisserie, Draft completed. Matches in progress.

I have selected a few hundred Magic cards to comprise the pool for a rotisserie draft.

There will be six players, randomly assigned to two teams of three. The draft will take place on IRC at a future date that is convenient for everyone. The draft for our UNL roti took 3+ hours, so make sure you have time. The draft order will be random, but there will not be any two consecutive teammates. There will be a wheel. There is no strategic communication allowed during the draft.

The first team to win five matches wins. If, at the end of the draft, one team member has more wins than his teammates, he will get a gold sig prize, while the rest of the team will get a silver sig prize. If there is a tie, there will be playoffs for the gold prize.

Team ACE 4-5 Team BDF

Ewie v Kelvandil: 1-2
Ewie v Falco: 0-2
Ewie v Llarack: 2-0

Quasius v Kelvandil: 1-2
Quasius v Falco: 2-0
Quasius v Llarack: 0-2

Prolepsis v Kelvandil: 0-2
Prolepsis v Falco: 2-0
Prolepsis v Llarack: 2-1

Ewie's picks:

[spoiler][deck]the abyss
mutilate
decree of pain
faceless butcher
dimir house guard
myojin of night's reach
chainer's edict
tatsumasa, the dragon's fang
death pulse
duress
bottled cloister
mystical teachings
honden of seeing winds
grim harvest
tendrils of corruption
honden of night's reach
underground sea
diabolic edict
summoning station
bloodstained mire
dead ringers
animate dead
innocent blood
beacon of unrest
mesmeric fiend
helldozer
death denied
repulse
deep analysis
bosium strip
curfew
sanguine guard
kor dirge
bullwhip
complicate
impulse
minamo scrollkeeper
wand of the elements
train of thought
aven augur
command of unsummoning
oboro envoy
compulsion
sudden shock
steam vents
mindblaze
goblin bombardment
death match
arcane teachings
mystic remora
thran golem
cursed totem
urza's avenger
fury charm
mistform skyreaver
glacial plating
ballynock trapper
magus of the moon
[/deck][/spoiler]

Kelvandil's picks:

[spoiler][deck]bribery
aboshan, cephalid emperor
seize the soul
force of will
heidar, rimewind master
persecute
legacy's allure
obelisk of alara
acquire
dominate
capsize
talisman of dominance
talisman of progress
magus of the future
sun ce, young conqueror
muse vessel
fog bank
nihilith
academy ruins
draining whelk
drift of phantasms
altar of shadows
nezumi graverobber
talisman of impulse
mind harness
polluted delta
phyrexian ironfoot
sculpting steel
crippling fatigue
misdirection
bonded fetch
rimefeather owl
swallowing plague
scuttlemutt
scrounge
thwart
fatestitcher
spelljack
fabricate
iron myr
palinchron
greel, mind raker
hoverguard sweepers
air elemental
fodder cannon
sundering titan
fireblast
jungle lion
rancor
dauthi jackal
knight of the mists
relic bane
power matrix
sun quan, lord of wu
insurrection
dross golem
ursapine
soratami cloudskater
[/deck][/spoiler]

Quasius's picks:

[spoiler]17 Snow-Covered Plains
1 Ajani Goldmane
1 Hand of Honor
1 Veteran Armorer
1 Cloudgoat Ranger
1 Celestial Crusader
1 Flickerwisp
1 Razormane Masticore
1 Akrasan Squire
1 Kami of Ancient Law
1 Juggernaut
1 Soltari Monk
1 Mother of Runes
1 Razor Golem
1 Aven Squire
1 Pristine Angel
1 Terashi's Grasp
1 Griffin Guide
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Icy Manipulator
1 Oathkeeper, Takeno's Daisho
1 Ronin Warclub
1 Gelid Shackles
1 Saltblast

[deck]razormane masticore
persuasion
icy manipulator
dream leash
desertion
faith's fetters
pristine angel
counterspell
man-o'-war
mother of runes
condescend
careful consideration
soltari monk
silver myr
juggernaut
exclude
kami of ancient law
gelid shackles
dismiss
gold myr
akrasan squire
flooded strand
saltblast
aven squire
griffin guide
ajani goldmane
terashi's grasp
ninja of the deep hours
razor golem
spire golem
thunderstaff
annul
bouncing beebles
kukemssa pirates
ivory mask
flickerwisp
honden of cleansing fire
celestial crusader
cloudgoat ranger
feudkiller's verdict
jokulhaups
reverse the sands
veteran armorer
hand of honor
kabuto moth
treasure hunter
march of the machines
lashknife barrier
ghosts of the innocent
endless horizons
blood knight
prismatic strands
tek
umbilicus
oathkeeper, takeno's daisho
ronin warclub
simian grunts
chastise
[/deck][/spoiler]

Falco's picks:

[spoiler]1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Genju of the Fields
1 Coalition Relic
1 Farseek
1 Talisman of Unity
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Infused Arrows
1 Clearwater Goblet
1 Rush of Knowledge
1 Mindslaver
1 Mass Calcify
1 Civic Wayfinder
1 Etched Oracle
1 Guardian of the Guildpact
1 Mulldrifter
1 Archon of Justice
1 Crovax, Ascendant Hero
1 Eternal Dragon
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Bringer of the White Dawn
1 Tundra
1 Breeding Pool
1 Savannah
1 Windswept Heath
1 Godless Shrine
1 Sacred Foundry
6 Plains
5 Forest

[deck]coalition relic
garruk wildspeaker
mindslaver
thran dynamo
eternal dragon
path to exile
arrest
kodama's reach
farseek
etched oracle
infused arrows
crovax, ascendant hero
clearwater goblet
krosan tusker
talisman of unity
guardian of the guildpact
mulldrifter
bringer of the white dawn
rush of knowledge
pentavus
mass calcify
tundra
enlightened tutor
breeding pool
savannah
windswept heath
godless shrine
sacred foundry
leonin abunas
celestial purge
platinum angel
archon of justice
righteous fury
hunting drake
karn, silver golem
krosan grip
stonecloaker
puppet strings
gaea's cradle
kill switch
defense of the heart
civic wayfinder
woodripper
adarkar valkyrie
argivian archaeologist
genju of the fields
zhang fei, fierce warrior
looming hoverguard
aethersnipe
ethereal haze
faerie macabre
lay of the land
clockwork dragon
nullmage advocate
durkwood baloth
dragon scales
defender of law
soratami cloud chariot
[/deck][/spoiler]

Peebles subbing for Prolepsis's picks:

[spoiler]1 Flametongue Kavu
1 Rorix Bladewing
1 Sprout Swarm
1 Eternal Witness
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Genesis
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Meng Huo, Barbarian King
1 Brooding Saurian
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Keldon Vandals
1 Molder Slug
1 Epicenter
1 Flowstone Overseer
1 Lava Burst
1 Violet Pall
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Knollspine Invocation
1 Nemata, Grove Guardian
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Fyndhorn Elves
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 In the Web of War
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Taiga
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Badlands
1 Wooded Foothills
5 Forest
6 Mountain

[deck]lava burst
flametongue kavu
rorix bladewing
sprout swarm
volrath's stronghold
eternal witness
yavimaya elder
indrik stomphowler
genesis
viridian shaman
ghost-lit raider
kamahl, fist of krosa
brooding saurian
rack and ruin
keldon vandals
molder slug
homura, human ascendant
imperial hellkite
llanowar elves
fyndhorn elves
overgrown tomb
badlands
wooded foothills
akroma's memorial
shattering pulse
taiga
flame javelin
puncture blast
violet pall
flowstone overseer
compost
stonewood invocation
knollspine invocation
naturalize
meng huo, barbarian king
nemata, grove guardian
in the web of war
skyshroud claim
pillage
molten rain
symbiotic wurm
scourge of kher ridges
lightning surge
spearbreaker behemoth
overrun
grizzly fate
epicenter
scorched rusalka
vernal bloom
primordial sage
elephant guide
evolution charm
briarhorn
imperious perfect
frostling
mire boa
river boa
defender of chaos
[/deck][/spoiler]

Llarack's picks:

[spoiler]1 Bane of the Living
1 Living Death
1 Ashes to Ashes
1 Visara the Dreadful
1 Duplicant
1 Triskelion
1 Flameblast Dragon
1 Hymn to Tourach
1 Skred
1 Grab the Reins
1 Talisman of Indulgence
1 Lead Myr
1 Ghost-lit Stalker
1 Erratic Portal
1 Cabal Interrogator
1 Dark Hatchling
1 Phyrexian Gargantua
1 Keening Banshee
1 Horobi's Whisper
1 Chilling Shade
1 Ancient Hydra
1 Gathan Raiders
1 Augur of Skulls
10 Snow-covered Mountain
7 Snow-covered Swamp

[deck]bane of the living
living death
ashes to ashes
visara the dreadful
duplicant
oblivion ring
triskelion
flameblast dragon
hymn to tourach
skred
grab the reins
talisman of indulgence
lead myr
copper myr
ghost-lit stalker
erratic portal
cabal interrogator
dark hatchling
phyrexian gargantua
keening banshee
horobi's whisper
terror
dauthi horror
dauthi marauder
okiba-gang shinobi
zombie cutthroat
chilling shade
avalanche
ancient hydra
pyrokinesis
gathan raiders
hand of cruelty
skinthinner
emissary of despair
firebolt
hearth kami
augur of skulls
urza's blueprints
fendeep summoner
herald of leshrac
rift bolt
volcanic hammer
skirk marauder
undying flames
stingscourger
helm of possession
keldon necropolis
zhang he, wei general
dauthi mercenary
keldon champion
mogg fanatic
manabarbs
shrapnel blast
needlebug
hissing iguanar
viashino fangtail
[/deck][/spoiler]

This post has been edited by Peebles on Jul 27 2009, 05:52 PM

/in

(12:23:16 PM) slearch: peebles will you have a visual spoiler for the roti?
(12:23:21 PM) PeebsWork: yes

I will post it later this week when it is finalized.

Are there any super-secret previews as to what's in the cube?

/in

Rare artifacts:



Uncommon artifacts:



Common artifacts:



Disclaimer: This may change slightly in the final pool so read the final spoiler carefully.

/in

/in

/in. Also, talismans are uncommon...

/in as replacement, I guess.

Isn't Kelv #6?

I'm not playing, just modding.

Tell me why that matters.

Tell me why that matters.

I seriously doubt it does unless you cared about it for some kind of weird "cube balance" thing.

Tell me why that matters.

I seriously doubt it does unless you cared about it for some kind of weird "cube balance" thing.

That is precisely why they are common.

In that case just /in. Yay! (Not to be confused with YAY!)

In that case just /in. Yay! (Not to be confused with YAY!)

Yay!

So now we should try to find a time when all seven of us have free time. Obviously the weekend is the place to start.

I don't understand why rarity matters in a rotisserie draft, though.

(1:32:54 PM) reuben_: i must not understand rotiesserie draft
(1:33:01 PM) Peebles: why is that?
(1:33:05 PM) reuben_: you just pick from the entire pool until it's gone right?
(1:33:09 PM) Peebles: yes
(1:33:16 PM) reuben_: why are you assigning rarities?
(1:33:24 PM) Peebles: for composition purposes
(1:33:42 PM) reuben_: you are weird
(1:33:48 PM) Peebles: why does that make me weird?
(1:34:59 PM) reuben_: but it has nothing to do with rarity
(1:35:40 PM) Peebles: I am not drastically changing rarities
(1:35:47 PM) Peebles: I am making talismans common
(1:36:11 PM) Peebles: and I think I bumped a few rares down
(1:36:13 PM) reuben_: k
(1:36:22 PM) reuben_: so you want it to feel like 30% of the cards are what feel like rares
(1:36:24 PM) Peebles: because you want the set to feel as though 30% are high-power
(1:36:25 PM) Peebles: right
(1:36:27 PM) reuben_: and 30% are what feel like uncs
(1:36:28 PM) reuben_: got it

(1:33:42 PM) reuben_: you are weird

Yeah, I can't see an reason for assigning rarities in a roti cube. Rarity doesn't necessarily equal power, after all. If it's shorthand for balance between power and filler, ok, but that doesn't mesh with having only 5 "filler" cards.

You are aware that a normal magic set has x rares, y uncommons, and z commons, and that the x:y:z ratio is generally consistent between sets, right?

I have made an all-reprint set. I am maintaining the x:y:z ratio.

I'm also aware that a typical cube doesn't give a shit about rarity. Also, the fact that you are actually ignoring rarity and artificially changing it seems to defeat the purpose.

That said, it isn't a big deal. It's also, over all, a really cool idea that I wish I had the time to participate in, and I'm glad you're running it. The rarity bit is a small thing only.

Well, the weird part was that you were simultaneously making up rarities.

I'm also aware that a typical cube doesn't give a shit about rarity. Also, the fact that you are actually ignoring rarity and artificially changing it seems to defeat the purpose.

That said, it isn't a big deal. It's also, over all, a really cool idea that I wish I had the time to participate in, and I'm glad you're running it. The rarity bit is a small thing only.

But I am not building a cube. I am building a set. I named the thread Cube Rotisserie so that people would instantly understand that the set was made up of cards that have all been printed before but have been hand-selected to come together.

Meanwhile, when wotc reprints cards, they change rarities a decent amount. See things like Loxodon Warhammer or Coastal Piracy. There will be a few unplayables in the set, but not many, so what matters is what a card really feels like compared to the others. Akroma's Memorial is obviously a rare, but when people have played with Signets, trying to tell them that Talismans are "uncommon" just doesn't make sense.

Assigning rarities to cards here helps me make sure the set comes out feeling like a real magic set, which is important to me.